The Insistent Use of Bad Arguments
Baptism, Theology and Doctrine, Apologetics March 8th, 2007One of the lessons that the Holy Spirit has taught me in the recent past is that it is hard to break the habit of using bad arguments to defend one’s position. This is true for a number of reasons. Some bad arguments are hard to recognize, they seem so “reasonable” and logical. Sometimes it is hard to be willing to recognize them as bad arguments because to do so may mean one has to change his/her position on something that is held as true, so the argument becomes a means to a supposed “good” end, i.e. the truth.
Let me illustrate this from personal experience. I was a credo-baptist until about a year ago. I have since embraced paedo-baptism. I have always been covenantal in my understanding of scripture, but I was convinced that the explicit statements in positive affirmation excluded infants from being the proper subject of baptism. My reasoning went as follows:
1. Believers are to be baptized.
2. Infants cannot believe.
3 Therefore they excluded from baptism.
Now this seems like a sound argument, but it is actually a very fallacious one. I will let Peter Edwards explain the fallacious nature of the argument. If anyone is interested in reading the entire book you can do so here.
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ARGUMENT II.
The Scriptures require faith and repentance as requisite to baptism; but as infants cannot have these, they are not proper subjects of baptism. Infants, say the Baptists, cannot believe, cannot repent; and none should be baptized without faith, &c.
The most expeditious way of destroying this argument, would be this. They say the Scriptures require faith and repentance in order to baptism. I ask, Of whom? The answer must be, Of adults; for the Scriptures never require them of infants, in order to any thing. Then frame the argument thus: – The Scriptures require faith and repentance of adults, in order to baptism; but as infants cannot have these, they are unfit subjects of that ordinance. Now it is a glaring sophism; with adults in one proposition, and infants in the other. Were I only to leave the argument thus, and say no more upon it, it would not be possible to save it from destruction; but since it is the only remaining half of the Baptist strength, I will examine it more at large.
In order to judge of the real worth of an argument, I lay down this rule: “Every argument that will prove against an evident truth; or, which is the same thing, every argument which will support a falsehood, is clearly a bad argument.” This rule is self-evident; for that must needs be false, which tends to prove a falsehood.
I will proceed by this rule, and attempt to show, I. That this argument is entirely fallactious. II. Point out wherein its fallacy consists.
I. Of the fallacy of this argument. The principle of it is, that infants are excluded from baptism, because something is said of baptism which will not agree to infants. To see therefore the tendency of this argument, whether it will prove on the side of truth or error, I will try its operation on these four subjects.
3. On the salvation of infants. That infants may be the subjects of salvation is universally admitted; that those, who die in infancy, are actually glorified, is also granted; and yet there is something said concerning salvation, which will by no means agree to infants – “He that believeth shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned,” &c.
What shall we say in this case? Why, the same as before. If infants must not be baptized, because something is said of baptism, which does not agree to infants; then, by the same rule, infants must not be saved, because something is said of salvation, which does not agree to infants. And then, the same consequence again follows, that this argument, by proving against an acknowledged truth, proves itself to be fallacious.
I will lay down a plan of their logic on this text, which will produce more conclusions that there are principal words in that part of the verse. The place is Mark xvi. 16. “He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved.” Now as the Baptists reason from the order of the words, I will mark them with figures, 1believeth – 2baptized – 3saved.
The logic is as follows: Take the first and second, believeth – baptized – and say with the Baptists –
1. None are to be baptized but such as believe, because believing must be before baptizing. – “1Believeth” – “2Baptized.”
This will conclude against infant baptism.
Next take the first and third – believeth – saved – and in the same way:
2. None are to be saved, but such as believe, because believing must be before saving. – “1Believeth” – “3Saved.”
This concludes against infant salvation.
Now take the second and third – baptized – saved – and argue in the same manner:
3. None are to be saved, but such as are baptized, because baptizing must go before saving. – “2Baptized.” – “3Saved.”
This will conclude on the side of infant baptism, they must be baptized, or they cannot be saved.
Lastly, take all three – believeth – baptized – saved – and say:
4. None are to be saved but such as believe and are baptized, because believing and baptizing must be before saving – “1Believeth” – “2Baptized.” – “3Saved.”
This concludes against the salvation of believers in Jesus Christ, if they have not been baptized. And so upon the principle of the Baptists, it concludes against the salvation of all Paedobaptists.
All these conclusions, arising from the same way of reasoning, may serve as a specimen to show the fallacious mode of arguing against infant baptism, adopted by the Baptists.
Let it be tried once more:
5. On the temporal subsistence of infants, As the reader may perceive the drift of the reasoning, on these instances, I will use but few words on the present one. Now that infants should be supported, not only Scripture, but nature itself teaches. And yet, if we form the Baptist argument, on a few places of Scripture, it may be proved, in opposition to Nature and Scripture both, that infants should actually be left to starve.
We have nothing to do but mention the texts, and apply their reasoning to them. Isaiah i. 19. “If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land.” 2 Thess. iii. 10. “If any would not work, neither should he eat.” Take the first, and say with the Baptist in another case: Willingness and obedience are required of those who are to eat of the good of the land; but since infants can neither will nor obey, they must not eat the good of the land. In the same way let the other be taken: He that will not work, neither shall he eat; infants cannot will to work, then infants must not eat.
This argument, in whatever way it is viewed, proves against the truth. Is it a truth, that infants should subsist? This argument proves against it. Is it a truth, that infants should be saved? This argument will prove to the contrary. Was Christ rightly baptized? According to this argument it could not be. Were infants proper subjects of circumcision? This argument will prove they were not. Then, if it invariably support a falsehood, we are compelled to say it is a false argument.
II. I will point out wherein this fallacy consists. As this argument, notwithstanding it is false, is used by the Baptists in general, both learned and unlearned, I will attempt to lay open its fallacy; and thereby put those persons upon their guard, who may be in danger of being seduced by it. The judicious reader may have observed, that I slightly hinted at the outset, wherein its fault consisted; but to make it yet more evident what that fault is, of which it is guilty, I will take the liberty of saying a few words more.
That particular rule, against which this argument offends, is this:
“Non debet plus esse in conclusione quam erat in praemissis. Ratio manifesta est, quia conclusion educenda est ex praemissis.”
That is, “There should not be more in the conclusion than was in the premises. The reason is plain, because the conclusion is to be drawn from the preminses.” We will try to make this plain, by examples of both of true and false reasoning.
1. In the Baptist way of reasoning. When the Scriptures say, “Repent and be baptized;” and, “If thou believest thou mayest,” &c. they address only sinful adults; and then, an argument formed upon them should reach no further than adults of the same description. But the Baptists form their fallacious argument on these passages, by bringing infants into the conclusion, who as they are not addressed, are not at all concerned in the premises. This will appear plain by three instances on the Baptist plan.
The Baptist argument runs thus: The Scriptures require faith and repentance in order to baptism; but infants have not faith and repentance: therefore they are not to be baptized. Now as the Scriptures require faith and repentance only of adults, we must place that word in the argument, and then it will stand in this form: The Scriptures require faith and repentance of adults in order to baptism; but infants cannot have these: therefore infants are not fit subjects of baptism. In the same way, we may form the two following instances, viz. The Scriptures require faith and repentance of adults in order to salvation; but infants cannot have these: therefore infants cannot be saved. Again, He [an adult] who will not work, neither should he eat; but an infant cannot will to work, therefore an infant should not eat. The reader may perceive, that by placing the word adults in one proposition, and infants in the other, (which makes it a sophism,) there are three things proved in the same way, viz. That infants cannot be saved—that infants should not eat—that infants should not be baptized. And so, for the same reason, that an infant cannot be saved, that an infant should not eat, it will follow, that an infant should not be baptized. For all these are equally true, and supported by the same reasoning. (Peter Edwards, Candid Reason For Renouncing The Principles of Anti-Paedobaptism, Chapter 2, Argument 2)
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When I read this as a credo-baptist I was amazed at how easily the central argument of my position was shown to be fallacious, but I still did not want to give the argument up, because I knew to do so would mean the defeating of my dearly held “truth”. The lesson that I learn, by the grace of God, is that if something is indeed true, then I should be able to arrive at the truth through good reasoning. If my “truth” can only be supported by a bad argument, then what I am holding as truth must be discarded.
I have found this to be true of myself in other areas as well. So, in light of this knowledge of my own tendency, I have to be careful in the way I approach scripture, I must pray that the Holy Spirit shows to me my tendency toward dishonesty and that he grant me the grace of coming to the sacred word of God with an honest heart to be taught the truth and to in turn defend it with good and honest arguments.
Blessings in Christ,
Terry W. West
May 11th, 2007 at 4:51 am
Hello Terry,
The problem with your arguments is that they are extra-biblical and based on worldly logic and philosophy. Just look at what the Bible says, or doesn’t say!
1. There is no mention of infant water baptism in the Bible.
2. There is no instance of infant water baptism in the Bible.
3. There is no command to baptize infants in the Bible.
4. There are no regulations regarding infant baptism in the Bible.
5. Baptism is repeatedly tied up with belief and discipleship in the Bible (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; 8:12, 36-37 ).
6. Circumcision and baptism are not by any means the same thing. When the early Christians met to discuss circumcision, baptism was not so much as mentioned (Acts 15 ).
7. The New Covenant is ‘not according to’ the Old Covenant (Heb 8:9ff). The specific difference mentiond is that in the New Covenant, everyone knows the Lord. Therefore the Covenant sign should be placed only on those who profess to know the Lord.
8. The ‘you and your seed’ formula of covenant membership finds its fulfilment in the New Covenant in Christ and His seed.
The Larger Catechism
Q31: With whom was the covenant of grace made?
A31: The covenant of grace was made with Christ as the second Adam, and in him with all the elect as his seed.[1]
1. Gal. 3:16; Rom. 5:15-21; Isa. 53:10-11
The New Covenant is not made with me and my seed, but Christ and His seed, covenant members are birthed from above.
Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Heb 2:13
13 And again, “I will put My trust in Him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me.”
Also, compare Isaiah 54:13 with John 6:45. The chldren are not of the flesh but of the Spirit (John 3:6 etc).
I hope that may be food for thought.
Yours in Christ,
Steve Owen
May 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Hello, Steve. Thanks for reading and responding to my article. First of all the three articles titled “Insistent Use of Bad Arguments” are not meant to be positive biblical arguments for the practice of paedo-baptism. There are many good resources that do a good job at grounding the practice both biblically and historically. The book by Peter Edwards, which I quoted form, does this very well. My purpose in writing these three articles was just to critique one particular argument used to refute the biblical practice of baptizing infants.
This be said, lets look at your reply.
you say:
“The problem with your arguments is that they are extra-biblical and based on worldly logic and philosophy. Just look at what the Bible says, or doesn’t say!”
my reply: Well, as I said above, my purpose is to critique the argument internally, and in order to do so I showed the fallacious nature of the argument itself, internally. If we have to resort to using fallacious arguments to defend a doctrine then that doctrine is not defensible and therefore should be discarded. The scriptures being God’s word are not guilty of teaching fallacies and therefore untruths. Logic and sound reasoning are grounded in God’s own nature and are sure because He is. So to attack my article based on the fact that is uses logic is itself fallacious and certainly begs the question.
You say:
1. There is no mention of infant water baptism in the Bible.
My reply: This is no argument against infant baptism. We all believe things taught in scripture that are known from inference. The doctrine of the Trinity is the most obvious example. Also, just to show you how silly this argument is, I could say to you, “Mr. Steve, the bible does not explicitly mention women coming to the communion table, so why do you allow women to partake?” Well obviously it would be silly not to infer from scripture that it is proper for a woman to partake of the Lord’s supper. So, to use this rule of “explicit mention” in scripture as the only way to know the truthfulness of a practice cannot be maintained and on it’s face it fails.
you say:
2. There is no instance of infant water baptism in the Bible.
3. There is no command to baptize infants in the Bible.
My reply: The above reply to objection 1, covers objections 2&3 as well.
you say:
4. There are no regulations regarding infant baptism in the Bible.
My reply: I disagree, if we use the rule of proper and necessary inference, then we have plenty of scripture that regulates the practice of infant baptism. We have the examples of family baptisms in Acts, so if the infant is a member of a believing family it receives baptism just as it’s parents did. And also the fact that baptism is the visible sign of new covenant membership then all those that God has said are included should receive the sign just as was practiced in each previous historic redemptive covenant. I believe the bible is clear about the membership of the children of believers in the new covenant (Acts 2:39, 1 Corinthians 7, and Ephesians 6, as just a few examples many more could be added).
you say:
5. Baptism is repeatedly tied up with belief and discipleship in the Bible (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; 8:12, 36-37 ).
My reply: This is just a restatement of the very argument I was critiquing in the articles. Positive statements concerning adult baptism does not exclude infants from the practice. Any more than the fact that squirrels have tails means that no other animal can therefore have a tail. Please read all three articles again and ponder the fallacy of using such a counter.
you say:
6. Circumcision and baptism are not by any means the same thing. When the early Christians met to discuss circumcision, baptism was not so much as mentioned (Acts 15 ).
My reply: This proves nothing. All it proves is that they were dealing with circumcision. I could just as easily say that they didn’t mention baptism of infants here in this text because it was practiced without controversy.
you say:
7. The New Covenant is ‘not according to’ the Old Covenant (Heb 8:9ff). The specific difference mentioned is that in the New Covenant, everyone knows the Lord. Therefore the Covenant sign should be placed only on those who profess to know the Lord.
My reply: Steve, can you tell me without doubt that every one in your church that has “professed” belief and therefore has been baptized, that they are, certainly and truly, regenerate? If you can’t then you have no argument from this text. This text is teaching us what is “promised” in the new covenant, but not every baptized person has the promise applied to them, but they still have baptism. Adults based on their profession, and infants based on the membership in a believing covenant family. By the way, this particular counter of yours has inspired a future post dealing with this text, I hope to publish it here in a few days or so. So keep checking back if you are interested in a more detailed treatment of this text.
In reply to all that you posted under your 8th counter. I would suggest that you read the WCF Chapter 25, “Of the Church”, specifically articles 1-4, on the “invisible/visible” church. All visible members of the new covenant, i.e. the church, receive the sacraments/ordinances, but the visible receiving of baptism does not automatically guarantee the possession of the “reality” of actual regeneration and thus invisible membership and spiritual union with Christ, which belongs to the elect alone, not even in your baptist church.
Again, thank you for your thoughtful comments,bother, and I hope to converse with you in the future.
Blessings in Christ
Terry W. West
May 13th, 2007 at 10:10 am
Hello Terry,
You wrote:-
“Logic and sound reasoning are grounded in God’s own nature and are sure because He is. So to attack my article based on the fact that is uses logic is itself fallacious and certainly begs the question.”
I do not attack your article because it uses logic; I attack it because it does not use the Bible.
You continue:-
“You say:
1. There is no mention of infant water baptism in the Bible.
My reply: This is no argument against infant baptism.”
I could really rest my case here. Just think about what you have said.
” We all believe things taught in scripture that are known from inference. The doctrine of the Trinity is the most obvious example. Also, just to show you how silly this argument is, I could say to you, “Mr. Steve, the bible does not explicitly mention women coming to the communion table, so why do you allow women to partake?” Well obviously it would be silly not to infer from scripture that it is proper for a woman to partake of the Lord’s supper. So, to use this rule of “explicit mention” in scripture as the only way to know the truthfulness of a practice cannot be maintained and on it’s face it fails.”
The WCF certainly mentions ‘Good and Necessary Inference.’ The Baptist 1689 Confession improves on this. It states that doctrines have to be ‘Necessarily contained’ in the Bible. In other words, a doctrine need not be explicitly mentioned, but it must be found in the Bible. For example, there is no mention, as you say, of the Trinity in Scripture, but the Bible clearly tells us that the Father is God (eg. Eph 3:14 ); the Son is God (eg. Heb 1:8 ), and the Spirit is God (eg. Acts 5:3-4 ), but there is only one God (eg. Jam 2:19 ). The old chestnut about women at the Lord’s Supper is also ‘necessarily contained.’ We know that women are part of the CHurch (Acts 1:14; 2:18-19 etc) and that the whole church came together to take the Lord’s Supper (1Cor 11:18 ). It is there in the Scriptures! But there is no mention of infant water baptism anywhere in the Bible; unless, of course, you want to baptize your infants into the law of Moses (1Cor 10:2 )!
You go on to mention the ‘household baptisms.’ Where are the infants? Paul baptized the household of Stephanus (1Cor 1:16 ) but that same household ‘have devoted themselves to the service of the saints’ and the Corinthians are to ’submit to [them]’ What! Infants and all? I don’t think so. I’m not going to go through each one now, but if you want to do so in your reply, feel free. BTW, if Lydia has infant children, where is her husband?
You continue:-
“you say:
5. Baptism is repeatedly tied up with belief and discipleship in the Bible (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; 8:12, 36-37 ).
My reply: This is just a restatement of the very argument I was critiquing in the articles. Positive statements concerning adult baptism does not exclude infants from the practice. Any more than the fact that squirrels have tails means that no other animal can therefore have a tail. Please read all three articles again and ponder the fallacy of using such a counter.”
You miss the point. There is no mention of infant baptism in the Bible and it is not for you to write it in! Consider Prov:30:5-6. By the same logic that you are using, you could contend that females were circumcised in the OT. There is no specific regulation against it; it simply isn’t mentioned. But that is ridiculous, and so is arguing for a New Testament doctrine that simply isn’t there!
Just briefly to deal with Acts 2:39. ‘For the promise is to you and to your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.’
What is the promise? That if these people repent and trust in Christ and are baptized they will be saved. That promise holds good for their children (descendants) and also for the Gentiles. If your children or mine or anyone else’s will repent, trust in Christ and be baptized, they will be saved. But to be baptized without repenting of sin and trusting in Christ is not mentioned.
‘Then those who gladly received his word were baptized’ (Acts 2:41 ). No infants, just those who received his word. How easy it would have been for the Holy Spirit to have added, ‘And their children’! But He didn’t, and it’s not for you to write it in (Rev 22:18 ).
Terry, one last thing. Don’t believe everything you read on the Puritan Board.
Every blessing,
Steve
May 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Reading through Edward’s article again, I spotted his central fallacy. He wrote:-
“The most expeditious way of destroying this argument, would be this. They say the Scriptures require faith and repentance in order to baptism. I ask, Of whom? The answer must be, Of adults; for the Scriptures never require them of infants, in order to any thing.”
No! The answer is, Of anyone! The Scriptures never discuss adults and infants in this context, they merely state that those who profess Christ are to be baptized (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; 8:12 etc). It is mere sophistry to suggest that adults are being mentioned and then to introduce infants as a separate class. Professors of faith in Christ are being mentioned.
Terry, I taken enough of your blog space. I won’t post again unless specifically invited. You have my e-mail address if you want to discuss privately.
Blessings,
Steve
May 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Hello, Steve. I read your reply in comment #3 earlier today, but haven’t had a chance to respond yet. I would like to take a moment to respond to #4 though.
You are missing what Edwards is doing here. He is taking your argument as a baptist and saying that you are the one excluding the infant categorically. The reason a baby is not baptized in a baptist church is because they cannot make a profession. So Edwards is saying that this cannot be done, because there can be reasons to baptize an infant that are different than his own personal profession. The inability of profession does not automatically exclude the infant from baptism any more that his inability to work excludes the infant form eating. It is fallacious to draw a negative conclusion from a bare positive. What is positively true of those having ability to profess does not necessarily exclude the infant from baptism simply on the grounds that he categorically cannot make profession. The condition of believing as the prerequisite of baptism in Mark 16:16 assumes the ability to believe, just as Paul’s instruction concerning a Man working therefore having the right to eat assumes the ability to work. We don’t exclude the infant from the right to eat simply because he cannot met the condition of working. To argue this way is to commit a categorical fallacy. I is simply a bad argument. Now granted, so far, I nor Edwards, have provided grounds positively for the practice of infant baptism, but we have certainly shown that this argument does not prevent it from being possible, and that’s all that is being shown here, thus far. As I said in comment #2, the purpose of these articles is not to prove infant baptism, but simply to expose the fallacy of this counter against it. And in my opinion this particular baptist argument has be soundly refuted.
I would just like to say, in closing, Steve, that I thank you for your interaction here. You are more than welcome to comment anytime you feel the urge….:). I do still intend to comment briefly on #3 as well, but maybe tomorrow. May our great triune God richly bless you and yours.
Blessings in Christ,
Terry W. West
May 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Hi Terry,
Thank you for inviting me to contribute again.
You write:-
“You are missing what Edwards is doing here. He is taking your argument as a baptist and saying that you are the one excluding the infant categorically.”
First of all, he is not taking ‘my’ argument. I never argue in syllogisms, and I can truthfully say that in many years on discussion forums, I have never observed a Baptist presenting the argument as Edwards presents it:-
1. Believers are to be baptized.
2. Infants cannot believe.
3 Therefore they excluded from baptism.
This omits something vital, namely the word of God on which Reformed Baptists rest, and it is really just a straw man. If I HAD to present a syllogism on Baptism it would be something like this:-
1. We are committed to the truth and sufficiency of the Bible.
2. The Bible knows only the baptism of those professing faith.
3. Therefore, we only baptize those making a credible profession of faith.
Edwards’ second straw man is this syllogism:-
1. Cats have tails.
2. Squirrels are not like cats.
3. Therefore squirrels do not have tails.
This is first of all a false syllogism; the conclusion does not follow from the premise. It is also a ‘reductio ad absurdum,’ a piece of worldly sophistry. It excludes the Bible and therefore has nothing to say to us.
Every blessing,
Steve
August 21st, 2007 at 1:23 pm
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